Lydiate – More on that strange public footpath issue at Sandy Lane Park

Footpath sign at Sandy Ln – There’s a similar one off Moss Ln

I’ve blogged a couple of times recently about Lydiate Footpath No.14 which links Sandy Lane to Moss Lane.

To recap, its become an issue following Lydiate Parish Council creating a fenced dog-run area a few weeks back which means that footpath users effectively have to walk through the dog-run.

Dog run area seen looking towards Sandy Ln. The public right of way is somewhere to the left where the corner fence post is

Attempts to define exactly where the public footpath is have come to nought (so far) as it’s not detailed on the deeds for Sandy Lane Park. This could mean that the path is actually on the neighbouring framer’s field and this angle is now being checked out by Sefton Council’s Footpath’s Officer who regulates public rights of way in the Borough.

Another strand to this odd story is that if the definitive route has not been recorded on any land deeds (which logically it should have been) then the back-stop is using a piece of law which allows Sefton Council to define the right of way route based on what has been used by the public for a 20 year period. It won’t take long for those familiar with the footpath to realise that the edge of Sandy Lane Park is what has been used as the footpath for many, many years. Certainly I’ve lived in Maghull & Lydiate since 1968 and I’ve never known the route of the path to be anywhere else. Here’s a link to the appropriate law provided via the Ramblers Association:-

www.ramblers.org.uk/advice/improve-the-path-network/how-to-claim-an-unrecorded-right-of-way.aspx

A few years back, when I was a Borough Councillor for Aintree Village, I helped with a campaign to gain a public right of way from Aintree Lane (at the side of Melling Road) through to the Leeds Liverpool Canal towpath using this 20 year rule as the basis for the claim. That battle was won and I use that path regularly to gain access to the canal towpath when I’m cycling locally. Here’s a photo which includes a part of that path:-

The new public right of way is the path which turns off the towpath to the right in this photo

More news as things develop…….

The last photo is amongst my Flickr photos at:-

www.flickr.com/photos/86659476@N07/

Rimrose Valley – Community Seeding Event

Tuesday, 28th May, 2019 at 7pm for a Community Seeding Event – Meet on Chaffers Field

An idyllic view of Rimrose Valley Country Park

Rimrose Valley Friends have details on their website – see link below:-

www.rimrosevalleyfriends.org/news/community-seeding-join-on-us-this-tuesday-at-7pm-on-chaffers-field/

Rimrose Valley Country Park

Kirkby – Wigan – Manchester Trains

End of the line from Wigan, the Merseyrail service to Liverpool is accessed under the bridge.

A curiosity and I imagine a real frustration for users of this line from the May 19th timetable changes by Northern is this:-

A double-headed (2 loco) train departs Knowsley Freight Terminal on its way to Wilton Power Station.

So it seems, according to Northern that is, that the troubled timekeeping on the Kirkby – Wigan – Manchester line is due to the freight trains to and from Knowsley Freight Terminal causing delays. The freight trains, usually 4 movements per day (2 in – 2 out), take Merseyside’s non-recyclable waste to Wilton Power Station in the north east for burning to create electricity. I’ve posted about these freight trains previously – here’s a link to that previous posting:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2018/09/08/what-happens-to-merseysides-rubbish-that-cant-be-recycled/

The question is, of course, what is going to happen between now and the December 2019 timetable changes to fix the delays allegedly being caused by the freight trains on this line? Also, when I’ve checked, the freight trains seem to be running pretty much to their timetable. What’s more they’ve been running for some years now and will continue well into the future.

There’s more to this story than meets the eye me thinks and it means 7 months of passengers having to change trains at Wigan Wallgate Station outside of peak times.

Lydiate – Parish Council notes for May

* Lydiate Parish Council was in effect no change as a consequence of the local elections held on 2nd May – 7 Labour and 2 Lib Dems although 4 of the Labour members are new to the Council. Cllr. Edie Pope and myself are the two Lib Dem members. I think we all hope that the Parish Council can continue to work well for the community as has been the case for many years now. I’m sure that it will.

Footpath sign at Sandy Ln – There’s a similar one off Moss Ln

* A site meeting took place today to try to resolve issues surrounding the public right of way from Sandy Lane to Moss Lane (Lydiate Footpath No.14) – my posting of 14th May refers – see link below:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2019/05/14/lydiate-footpath-no-14-and-a-dog-run-may-be-a-conflict-of-uses/

The outcome was, I understand, inconclusive as the presently held legal documentation is not detailed enough for Sefton Council’s Footpath Officer to determine the exact route of the public right of way. More detailed research will be required using the deeds of Sandy Lane Playing Field. More news when I have it.

* A suggestion was made at the last but one Parish Council meeting that an outdoor table tennis facility could be provided by the Parish Council on the Village Center site and the idea met with general approval. If it comes off it may look something like this:-

Maghull – Now about that vast urban extension to the east of the Town

The vast Maghull East urban extension (presently high grade agricultural land) site as seen from Poverty Lane, Maghull

The Liverpool Echo has the article on its website – see link below

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/housing-company-banned-joe-anderson-16287342

I wonder where this is heading and will Sefton Council take the same approach to these developers as Liverpool City Council seems to be doing? It feels like a long time now since Sefton Council picked the vast Maghull East site for an urban extension to the Town on what is presently high grade agricultural land. And it was a hugely controversial move which created a significant environmental protest movement in the Town and indeed across the Borough of Sefton, which I was a part of – see my many previous posting about it on this Sefton Focus Blog Site.

But there is danger here in thinking that Sefton Council or indeed Liverpool City Council can achieve much on land which is in private ownership. Yes, if the land to be sold is owned by a Council it gives it far more leverage as to the use it is put to otherwise, if the land is in private hands, the leverage is far, far less.

Like many I want to see the end to leasehold and ground rents etc.

Lydiate Footpath No.14 and a dog run may be a conflict of uses

On the map of Lydiate’s public rights of way/footpaths (above) No. 14 is towards the bottom right. It effectively follows the boundary of Sandy Lane Playing Field from Sandy Lane to Moss Lane.

When the Parish Council agreed to set aside a part of Sandy Lane Park for a dog run the wedge shaped corner of it was agreed as the site. Subsequently, the appropriate fencing was erected recently. But it was only when using the path the other day that I realised that the route of the public right of way seemed to be through the dog run area. See photos below:-

Footpath sign at Sandy Ln – There’s a similar one off Moss Ln

Dog run area seen looking towards Sandy Ln. The public right of way is to the left where the corner fence post is

Looking down the line of the public right of way from Sandy Ln.

My concern is that footpath users may have to walk through the dog run area as the boundary of its fence is right up against the field boundary which is overgrown. Clearly some people would not want to walk through an area where dogs are running free.

I’ve asked Sefton Council’s Footpaths Officer and the Clerk of Lydiate Parish Council to have a look at this issue with a view to resolving it for both dog walkers and those who walk the local footpath network. I’ll blog about it again when things are clearer.

Click on the map and photos to enlarge them