Tory supporters seriously dislike the Lib Dems and Labour supporters expect Corbyn to help deliver Brexit – Two accecdotes from the campaign trail

Two encounters with opposition voters this weekend and both were illuminating!

Firstly, a lady was disappointed that I was not delivering a Tory leaflet and was even more disappointed when she realised I was delivering a Lib Dem one. The conversation which followed was cordial, even pleasant, but what came out was that she was not really bothered about Labour as she could not work out whether they were for or against Brexit (she was obviously for). She dislikes the Lib Dems because she knows exactly where we stand. A good encounter then as our message is clearly getting through whereas Labour’s is not – but then again Labour Party members keep telling the me the same thing.

Secondly, a Labour supporter told me he had voted in the Mersey Mayor election last week and he expected Labour to help deliver Brexit. And thereby hangs Labour’s dilemma, their supporters (or at least a significant number of them) back Brexit and expect Labour to help Teresa May to deliver it. This chap knew Labour had voted for Brexit in Parliament and that they were now saying almost the opposite on the campaign trail. He was clearly concerned that Labour may U-turn but he thought they would sober up and keep with Brexit.

Gone are the days when folk say they don’t know what the Lib Dems stand for.

Brexit – No matter how you voted you surely want those you elected to have a say in what the alternative is, don’t you?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/10/the-guardian-view-on-brexit-negotiations-mps-matter

Yes I have had many a rant about the madness of leaving the EU and the profound negative social, economic and employment effects it will have but this posting is not another one.

Have a look at the Guardian article via the link above. Is it in any way unreasonable for Parliament to be involved in deciding what the alternative to Brexit actually is? After all the only direction the electorate has given is that they want to leave. There’s was no instruction about what alternative they wanted, indeed the Brexit Leaders never offered a clear alternative.

So I want MP’s to have a say in what is negotiated at the very least. What’s wrong with that?

My thanks to Roy Connell for the lead to this posting

Brexit worries are getting deeper

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-manufacturing-falls-even-faster-than-thought-in-wake-of-vote-a7165911.html

The link above is to an article on the Independent web site which is well worth reading and it seems to indicate that we are potentially heading back into recession.

‘Manufacturing activity fell even more rapidly in the wake of the Brexit vote than first expected, according to the latest much-watched survey snapshot of the sector.’

Is Brexit really to blame? Probably. Do Brexiters care? Some of them clearly don’t as they voted on a ‘bugger the consequences’ basis as I pointed out in my last posting about the EU referendum a few of days ago. A link to that posting is available below:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2016/08/02/brexit-why-did-it-happen-and-will-it-hasten-pr/

My thanks to Roy Connell for spotting this story.

Brexit – Why did it happen and will it hasten PR?

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07mj400/britains-vote-in-the-eu-referendum

I am grateful to my friend Bob for pointing me in the direction of the link above on BBC I Player, which is in the form of a series presentations from knowledgeable people who have tried to understand why people voted the way they did in the recent referendum.

The first speaker to my mind makes some cutting and accurate remarks about how Blair took power away from working people and thereby created the vacuum for UKIP to move into.

The video is quite long but it is worth sticking with it so that all the shades of opinion can be taken on board.

Where it leaves us to my mind and indeed to that of Bob is that we desperately need an electoral system where every vote actually counts as opposed to the present one where in many constituencies it simply does not.

In the recent referendum folks voted in reasonably large numbers because they knew their vote was of equal value to that of other voters. They also voted to bloody the nose of the establishment that had disenfranchised them on an almost bugger the consequences basis.

Obviously as a ‘Remainer’ I feel the result was one hell of an own goal for the UK and that the dire consequences will take years to unfold. But at least I am getting a clear view as to why the electorate took what at face value was an irrational decision with such worrying consequences.

Brexit – A wish for the death penalty and harking back to the past?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36803544

The BBC has the story on its web site – see link above

This is interesting and it fits with my thoughts as I have tried to get my head around why many folks voted for Brexit. This particular quote from the piece is telling about Brexit voters:-

“They tended to value things like order, stability and safety against things like openness, modernity and other social-liberal values that were more popular among Remain voters. Often it’s about harking back to the past – sometimes a feeling that they don’t belong to the present.”

I had thought that wanting to almost go back in time, as their rose tinted spectacles were saying to them it was better in the old days, was a factor but the link to capital punishment is chilling indeed.

I suppose Cameron exposed, in his ill judged referendum, that we are now two very different sets of people in the UK and frankly you can’t see much possibility of reconciliation between the two opposing views. It may, to use a Northern Ireland type analogy, have to wait until there are less of us living in the past and more living for the present and future for the situation to be overturned. I hope I live to see that day.

PS. I am often accused of living in the past due to my love of steam locomotives and 1970’s soul music but, even though I clearly have my own pair of rose tinted spectacles, I was in no way persuaded to vote for Brexit.