Gove and Boris savaged by Guardian

The Guardian has the story on its web site – see link above

This is a powerful piece indeed and well worth reading. My thanks to Roy Connell for spotting it.

As an aside I heard Anna Soubry MP say on Channel 4 News tonight that both her Tory Party and Labour had in effect stoked up anti EU feelings over issues that had nothing to do with the EU. She even mentioned that the Libs had not done this. Her anger with Gove and Boris was very clear.

EU Referendum Result – You selfish Brexit cretins

Liberals are often spoken of as being nice people, indeed I have had it said to me numerous times but this Liberal does not feel nice at present indeed he fancies being offensive!

The EU ‘out’ vote was probably the greatest ever act of selfish behaviour in living memory by the older generations of UK voters. It was often said during the campaign that older folk would not have to live with the consequences of Brexit so those older generations, in general, said that’s fine with us – bugger the young folk, we don’t care!

It you don’t believe me look at this graphic:-


Talk about leaving a pile of crap for the up and coming generations but doing it deliberately; that’s really crapping on the young!

The cretinous Brexiters were had by right wing nutters and the right wing press and we are all now going to have to live with the stupid decision they took. But its the young in particular who will have every reason to despise the selfishness of many of their elders.

We all knew that ‘Kippers and mad right wing Tories were going to vote for Brexit but what on earth was going on with Labour voters? Many of those who call themselves working class Labour were in the polling booth voting with and for the barmy right! They were voting to reduce workers rights, to push our economy on a downwards spiral (which the poor always suffer the most from) and thought they were freeing themselves from tyranny! In reality they were voting for more austerity, less rights, poorer job prospects and Boris! Labour completely failed to engage with its white, working class voters again so they followed the nonsense the Daily Mail, The Scum etc. fed to them.

Angry, you bet I am. Rude and insulting well I hope so because those who wanted to jump off the cliff are taking the rest of us with them. I am reminded of the title of a Michael Moore book – Stupid White Men …. and Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation.. It may well have been written about America in 2001 but 15 years on it seems more about the UK.

Racism – It desroys our society

This posting details a comment I made on Phil Holden’s blog site ‘7and7is’ and I thought it was worth wider circulation:-

The sad part about all this talk about immigration is that it has stirred up some nasty, often only hinted at, racism issues.

The UK has always had a worrying undercurrent of racial hatred which sadly leads to random acts of violence towards those from racial minorities.

Whilst the vast majority of us will have nothing to do with racism some seem to thrive on it, probably as it allows them to blame a racial minority for what are in reality their own failings.

But what really worries me is the dog-whistle type racism used by a minority of politicians to whip up racist fears. Those politicians know exactly what they are doing; in trying to put fear into all our hearts they are also playing on the minds of those lunatics at the fringes of society.

In this case they do it to try to win a Brexit vote but how do such vile thoughts get put back in the box the day after polling day? Of course they will not go back in the boxes of the lunatics so beware what you try to whip up it will have consequences for years to come.

Brexit – Where are the credible facts about leaving the EU

Clearly the Brexit campaign is led by a colourful bunch of politicians but one thing they seem unable to do is to put before us a clear way forward for life outside of the EU.

Yes it is easy for them and their supporters to say daft things like:-

‘The EU bosses us about’
‘We need Brussels’ permission to do anything’
‘We are being bullied into staying in the EU’
‘We want Britain to be great again’
etc. etc.etc.

It’s like saying we don’t like where we are now and want to be somewhere else without having a map to show how to get to somewhere else or knowing what somewhere else will be like.

It’s all emotional arguments rather then credible ones.

In many ways you have to stare aghast at Brexiters as they are in effect saying we should all jump off the cliff with them, not knowing if there are rocks below, how far down it is, whether the tide is in or if there are sharks in the water. A leap into the unknown indeed.

Having been fed a diet of silly tabloid stories about the EU for years now it is probably no surprise that some folks have taken these stories as fact. But none the less it is worrying that those who want Brexit can’t seem to be able to say how they will ensure a better, brighter future for the UK.

Some of them seem quite happy to put the UK economy at greater risk than it is already although I can’t understand why.

Others want us to ‘rule the waves’ again but fail to say how our small country will achieve this.

Many have forgotten why the EU was created (to help bring peace and stability to Europe) and you wonder why they think a less stable Europe is in the UK’s interests.

In reality this referendum is mainly about the problems within the Tory Party as they try to keep their bickering members happy. Of course whatever the result those members will never be happy. We would not be having a referendum if Cameron had not been backed into a corner by UKIP and those Tories who may defect to UKIP.

But there is also a dilemma for Labour here too as their ‘working class’, whatever that may mean, supporters are mainly on the right of British politics whilst seeing Labour as ‘their’ tribe. They read the right wing press but vote Labour. They are anti EU but vote Labour. They are one of the reasons Mr. Corbyn has to be very careful about what he says and why Labour’s been so quiet in the campaign so far.

So please Brexiters put before us a credible plan for how you see things unfolding if we leave the EU and one that independent minded people can assess and comment on. It’s time to speak with a common credible voice rather than emotional rhetoric.