The much missed 311 bus route (particularly in Lydiate)

A visit to Merseyside Transport Trust’s open day in Burscough yesterday and what should I spot but a heritage bus in Ribble/North Western livery numbered for the now lost and much missed 311 route which ran from Liverpool through to Ormskirk taking in the Old Roan, Maghull and Lydiate.

It brought back memories of the campaign and petition to try to stop Arriva abandoning the route back in 2015. Here’s a link back to my postings about the matter back then:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2015/08/21/petition-to-try-to-save-the-311-liverpool-ormskirk-skem-bus/

Four years on since the bus was withdrawn and Lydiate residents without access to a car are still struggling to get to Ormskirk, which is just 4 miles away, with only the 310 bus to use and that just skims the very edge of Lydiate.

Lydiate – The Anchor – Seeing it through 1886 eyes

Iv’e blogged before about Lydiate’s lost alehouse – The Anchor – which was located on the Leeds Liverpool canalbank between Lydiate Hill/Billy’s Bridge and Jacksons Bridge. The property, whilst still standing, is private housing now.

Here’s a link to my previous posting:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2016/11/23/lydiates-lost-pub-the-anchor-inn-or-arms/

The reason for returning to this subject again is because removal of the rendering on part of the building has revealed what the pub used to look like. In the words of the chairman of Lydiate Parish Council:-

‘The brickwork was decorative with red whole bricks alternating with darker half bricks. There is also a band of yellow bricks running across the building and around the windows. It must have been an impressive sight when built c1868.’

Here are some photographs of the building after removal of the rendering but before it is recovered:-

My thanks to Cllr. John Bailey for the lead to this posting

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Lydiate – More on that strange public footpath issue at Sandy Lane Park

Footpath sign at Sandy Ln – There’s a similar one off Moss Ln

I’ve blogged a couple of times recently about Lydiate Footpath No.14 which links Sandy Lane to Moss Lane.

To recap, its become an issue following Lydiate Parish Council creating a fenced dog-run area a few weeks back which means that footpath users effectively have to walk through the dog-run.

Dog run area seen looking towards Sandy Ln. The public right of way is somewhere to the left where the corner fence post is

Attempts to define exactly where the public footpath is have come to nought (so far) as it’s not detailed on the deeds for Sandy Lane Park. This could mean that the path is actually on the neighbouring framer’s field and this angle is now being checked out by Sefton Council’s Footpath’s Officer who regulates public rights of way in the Borough.

Another strand to this odd story is that if the definitive route has not been recorded on any land deeds (which logically it should have been) then the back-stop is using a piece of law which allows Sefton Council to define the right of way route based on what has been used by the public for a 20 year period. It won’t take long for those familiar with the footpath to realise that the edge of Sandy Lane Park is what has been used as the footpath for many, many years. Certainly I’ve lived in Maghull & Lydiate since 1968 and I’ve never known the route of the path to be anywhere else. Here’s a link to the appropriate law provided via the Ramblers Association:-

www.ramblers.org.uk/advice/improve-the-path-network/how-to-claim-an-unrecorded-right-of-way.aspx

A few years back, when I was a Borough Councillor for Aintree Village, I helped with a campaign to gain a public right of way from Aintree Lane (at the side of Melling Road) through to the Leeds Liverpool Canal towpath using this 20 year rule as the basis for the claim. That battle was won and I use that path regularly to gain access to the canal towpath when I’m cycling locally. Here’s a photo which includes a part of that path:-

The new public right of way is the path which turns off the towpath to the right in this photo

More news as things develop…….

The last photo is amongst my Flickr photos at:-

www.flickr.com/photos/86659476@N07/

Lydiate – Parish Council notes for May

* Lydiate Parish Council was in effect no change as a consequence of the local elections held on 2nd May – 7 Labour and 2 Lib Dems although 4 of the Labour members are new to the Council. Cllr. Edie Pope and myself are the two Lib Dem members. I think we all hope that the Parish Council can continue to work well for the community as has been the case for many years now. I’m sure that it will.

Footpath sign at Sandy Ln – There’s a similar one off Moss Ln

* A site meeting took place today to try to resolve issues surrounding the public right of way from Sandy Lane to Moss Lane (Lydiate Footpath No.14) – my posting of 14th May refers – see link below:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2019/05/14/lydiate-footpath-no-14-and-a-dog-run-may-be-a-conflict-of-uses/

The outcome was, I understand, inconclusive as the presently held legal documentation is not detailed enough for Sefton Council’s Footpath Officer to determine the exact route of the public right of way. More detailed research will be required using the deeds of Sandy Lane Playing Field. More news when I have it.

* A suggestion was made at the last but one Parish Council meeting that an outdoor table tennis facility could be provided by the Parish Council on the Village Center site and the idea met with general approval. If it comes off it may look something like this:-

Lydiate Footpath No.14 and a dog run may be a conflict of uses

On the map of Lydiate’s public rights of way/footpaths (above) No. 14 is towards the bottom right. It effectively follows the boundary of Sandy Lane Playing Field from Sandy Lane to Moss Lane.

When the Parish Council agreed to set aside a part of Sandy Lane Park for a dog run the wedge shaped corner of it was agreed as the site. Subsequently, the appropriate fencing was erected recently. But it was only when using the path the other day that I realised that the route of the public right of way seemed to be through the dog run area. See photos below:-

Footpath sign at Sandy Ln – There’s a similar one off Moss Ln

Dog run area seen looking towards Sandy Ln. The public right of way is to the left where the corner fence post is

Looking down the line of the public right of way from Sandy Ln.

My concern is that footpath users may have to walk through the dog run area as the boundary of its fence is right up against the field boundary which is overgrown. Clearly some people would not want to walk through an area where dogs are running free.

I’ve asked Sefton Council’s Footpaths Officer and the Clerk of Lydiate Parish Council to have a look at this issue with a view to resolving it for both dog walkers and those who walk the local footpath network. I’ll blog about it again when things are clearer.

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