Brexit – May V Corbyn – It’s actually not a party political matter

The British media see things in a rather black and white way and often things can be like that. However, in politics especially at the moment, things are actually many shades of grey. Just look at this article from the BBC website about how many Conservative Brexit factions there are:-

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46386172

And of course, Labour is also split. Their leadership is Brexit leaning it’s just that they want a different deal to the one that May has negotiated. Corbyn, of course, has always been anti-EU. However, lots of Labour MP’s are pro-EU and anti-Brexit although with many Labour constituency party organisations being dominated by Momentum those MP’s hardly ever speak out for fear of being deselected for opposing Jeremy’s view.

So a May V Corbyn debate is actually pointless as fundamentally they both want the same thing i.e. to leave the EU except that Corbyn says he can negotiate a different deal to the one May has come up with.

One leading commentator said this of the proposed debate, which sums up the situation perfectly:-

Mike Galsworthy – ‘As far as I’m concerned… A May-Corbyn debate on Brexit is going to be like watching two flat-earthers arguing over who can explain gravity better’

My point is this, any sensible debate should actually be between May and a representative of the cross-party People’s Vote Campaign. Personally, I’m not bothered who that representative should be but here are a few suggestions – Sarah Wollaston MP, Vince Cable MP, Alastair Campbell, Caroline Lucas MP. I think I would probably plump for Campbell.

Surely no one wants a no deal scenario other than complete Brexit nutters so the real choice in the ridiculous situation the UK now finds itself is between May’s deal and Remain.

However, there could be a point in having Corbyn in the TV debate too so that he has an opportunity to explain how different his deal with the EU would look and how he would achieve it. We get it that Corbyn and the Labour leadership feel they can negotiate a different, even a better deal, than May has done but where will the differences be? We need to see Labour’s Brexit Deal detail or indeed have Corbyn exposed for not having a real alternative at all.

That May’s deal is rubbish seems to be a given across Brexteers and Remainers so staying in the EU is the only really sensible alternative to it unless Corbyn can clearly show why and how his Brexit deal would be better than staying in the EU. If Corbyn can show his Brexit would be better for jobs, the economy, the NHS etc. than staying in the EU then his next step would have to be to get Article 50 extended whilst he wins a General Election and then delivers his deal. A tough ask indeed because he would also have to show why the EU would back his alternative.

With thanks to Roy Connell for thew lead to this posting.

Brexit – ‘Project Fear’ exponents exposed as fake news scaremongers

The video accessible via the link below is probably the most powerful I have seen in debunking the lies told in the lead up to the UK’s EU Referendum. Go on have a look at it especially if you voted Leave and have begun to wonder if what you had been told by the lead Brexiteers may not have been true:-

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/viewers-hail-stephen-frys-brexit-myth-busting-video-claiming-boris-johnson-and-jacob-reesmogg-are-a4005671.html

A People’s Vote is the only way out of the chaos.

With thanks to Roy Connell for the lead to this posting

Old political chums band together on Sefton Council to block ‘Peoples Vote’ on Brexit

Anger over Sefton Labour’s rejection of ‘People’s Vote’

The decision of the controlling Labour Group to block a request for a People’s Vote over Brexit left campaigners dismayed when they attended Thursday night’s Sefton Council meeting held at Southport Town Hall.

Seaforth resident and NHS worker Carla Burns addressed the Council meeting in support of a petition, signed by over 600 people. In it she called for Sefton Council to support a People’s Vote on the final Brexit Deal which includes an option to remain in the EU.

Lib Dem councillor Daniel Lewis, supported by his Lib Dem colleagues, proposed that the Council should support the terms of the petition. However, every single member of the controlling Labour Group, together with the Conservatives, voted this down.

Following the meeting Carla Burns expressed her anger, tweeting: “I want politicians who will put country before party – I will not vote Labour whilst they facilitate Brexit.”

With thanks to Cllr. Simon Shaw for the lead to this posting

What universe are the Government living in – Child-like challenge to EU!

Back May’s Brexit plan or risk no deal, David Lidington tells EU

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45344203

Frankly I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, this mess is all of the UK’s making. We said we wanted out and now we want ‘out’ to be on our terms. I’m not even sure that the Government or indeed the Official Opposition, who also back Brexit, know what kind of a deal they actually want anyway!

We must look an odd self-destructive lot to our soon to be ex-European partners as they clearly can’t work out what we are up to or even why. Then again you only have to listen to the drivel that comes from the lead Brexit politicians in both the Tory and Labour Parties to realise they don’t have a clue what they are talking about most of the time.

If I were the EU I would treat the UK like a naughty petulant child. Send our Tory and Labour Party Leaders (who seem to be having an attack of the Terrible 2’s) to bed early and ground them until they are capable of behaving anything like the adults we are supposed to have as our political leaders.

The UK has been taken over by political lightweights who think that whatever they think must be fact so they continue to repeat their nonsense whilst the UK economy goes to the dogs. The poor are going to be made poorer, we are all going to be made poorer yet those who promote Brexit just keep ploughing on as though all is going to be well. It’s NOT, there needs to be a peoples vote on the outcome of the negotiations with the EU. We can’t leave it to our MP’s as the vast majority of them will just go along with whatever their ‘other universe’ leaders tell them. The people need to speak before we consider whether we really should go over the cliff edge or not.