Lydiate – More on that strange public footpath issue at Sandy Lane Park

Footpath sign at Sandy Ln – There’s a similar one off Moss Ln

I’ve blogged a couple of times recently about Lydiate Footpath No.14 which links Sandy Lane to Moss Lane.

To recap, its become an issue following Lydiate Parish Council creating a fenced dog-run area a few weeks back which means that footpath users effectively have to walk through the dog-run.

Dog run area seen looking towards Sandy Ln. The public right of way is somewhere to the left where the corner fence post is

Attempts to define exactly where the public footpath is have come to nought (so far) as it’s not detailed on the deeds for Sandy Lane Park. This could mean that the path is actually on the neighbouring framer’s field and this angle is now being checked out by Sefton Council’s Footpath’s Officer who regulates public rights of way in the Borough.

Another strand to this odd story is that if the definitive route has not been recorded on any land deeds (which logically it should have been) then the back-stop is using a piece of law which allows Sefton Council to define the right of way route based on what has been used by the public for a 20 year period. It won’t take long for those familiar with the footpath to realise that the edge of Sandy Lane Park is what has been used as the footpath for many, many years. Certainly I’ve lived in Maghull & Lydiate since 1968 and I’ve never known the route of the path to be anywhere else. Here’s a link to the appropriate law provided via the Ramblers Association:-

www.ramblers.org.uk/advice/improve-the-path-network/how-to-claim-an-unrecorded-right-of-way.aspx

A few years back, when I was a Borough Councillor for Aintree Village, I helped with a campaign to gain a public right of way from Aintree Lane (at the side of Melling Road) through to the Leeds Liverpool Canal towpath using this 20 year rule as the basis for the claim. That battle was won and I use that path regularly to gain access to the canal towpath when I’m cycling locally. Here’s a photo which includes a part of that path:-

The new public right of way is the path which turns off the towpath to the right in this photo

More news as things develop…….

The last photo is amongst my Flickr photos at:-

www.flickr.com/photos/86659476@N07/

Lydiate – Parish Council notes for May

* Lydiate Parish Council was in effect no change as a consequence of the local elections held on 2nd May – 7 Labour and 2 Lib Dems although 4 of the Labour members are new to the Council. Cllr. Edie Pope and myself are the two Lib Dem members. I think we all hope that the Parish Council can continue to work well for the community as has been the case for many years now. I’m sure that it will.

Footpath sign at Sandy Ln – There’s a similar one off Moss Ln

* A site meeting took place today to try to resolve issues surrounding the public right of way from Sandy Lane to Moss Lane (Lydiate Footpath No.14) – my posting of 14th May refers – see link below:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2019/05/14/lydiate-footpath-no-14-and-a-dog-run-may-be-a-conflict-of-uses/

The outcome was, I understand, inconclusive as the presently held legal documentation is not detailed enough for Sefton Council’s Footpath Officer to determine the exact route of the public right of way. More detailed research will be required using the deeds of Sandy Lane Playing Field. More news when I have it.

* A suggestion was made at the last but one Parish Council meeting that an outdoor table tennis facility could be provided by the Parish Council on the Village Center site and the idea met with general approval. If it comes off it may look something like this:-

Lydiate Footpath No.14 and a dog run may be a conflict of uses

On the map of Lydiate’s public rights of way/footpaths (above) No. 14 is towards the bottom right. It effectively follows the boundary of Sandy Lane Playing Field from Sandy Lane to Moss Lane.

When the Parish Council agreed to set aside a part of Sandy Lane Park for a dog run the wedge shaped corner of it was agreed as the site. Subsequently, the appropriate fencing was erected recently. But it was only when using the path the other day that I realised that the route of the public right of way seemed to be through the dog run area. See photos below:-

Footpath sign at Sandy Ln – There’s a similar one off Moss Ln

Dog run area seen looking towards Sandy Ln. The public right of way is to the left where the corner fence post is

Looking down the line of the public right of way from Sandy Ln.

My concern is that footpath users may have to walk through the dog run area as the boundary of its fence is right up against the field boundary which is overgrown. Clearly some people would not want to walk through an area where dogs are running free.

I’ve asked Sefton Council’s Footpaths Officer and the Clerk of Lydiate Parish Council to have a look at this issue with a view to resolving it for both dog walkers and those who walk the local footpath network. I’ll blog about it again when things are clearer.

Click on the map and photos to enlarge them

Lydiate – Some notes from the February Parish Council meeting – Donations and Dogs


We agreed to make donations to both Lydiate in Flower and Lydiate Village Festival.

Remember the trouble over dogs on Sandy Lane Playing Field and the dog walker getting fined* for their dog being on the football pitch from a few weeks back? Well since then the Parish Council has been creating and fencing off an area of the park where dogs can be walked without fear of fines. The fencing is now mainly in and it looks like this:-

We also discussed appropriate signage for the park so that dog walkers and indeed all park users know what the rules are surrounding dogs being banned from sports pitches. The rules are probably too involved for a simple notice so we discussed the possibility of a straight forward notice with the detail being available on the Parish Council’s web site.

* The fine was subsequently rescinded

Lydiate – Notes from a Small Parish

Yes I know, I could not help but pinch the title of Bill Byrson’s excellent book but it felt appropriate to me anyway.

I’ve not updated on the activities of the Parish Council for a while but as we have just had our October meeting here goes with a few notes:-

* We donated £73 to the WW1 Lydiate Project to help them produce 100 additional printed booklets on their work. Here’s a link to this primary schools based project:-

madcos.org.uk/project/ww1-lydiate/

By the way have you seen/read ‘Great War Britain – Liverpool – Remembering 1914-18’ by Lydiate historian Pam Russell? May well be worth tracking a copy down – it was published this year. The copy below was for sale in Liverpool Central Library:-

* After the Brexit carry on it will hardly be surprising if Lydiate folk look upon another referendum with a skeptical eye but there is going to another very local one early next year. It will just be for Lydiate voters and it will be regarding whether the community accepts the Neighbourhood Plan which the Parish Council has put together. I’ve blogged about these plans many times before – watch out for a polling card popping through your letter box.

* We have put £500 to one side, in effect pledged it, to the Moss Alliance to help pay for their legal costs against fracking. My previous posting on this matter is available via this link:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/tag/the-moss-alliance/

Sandy Lane Changing Rooms building

* The Parish Council continues to look for ways to improve the changing room facilities and indeed the old tennis courts at Sandy Lane Playing Field. I’ve mentioned this a number of times previously. Suffice to say that the project may now take the form of a small extension to the present building but with a far more substantial project to provide modern changing rooms and a multi use games area (MUGA) to follow. It all depends on funding and grants and it could take a while to bring this project forward.

* It looks like funding to help with the lighting of the Christmas Tree (actually its a holly tree) on the Village Green will no longer be provided by Sefton Council after Christmas 2019. There’s a challenge for Christmas 2020 and beyond….

Lydiate – Progress with Multi Sports area and changing rooms at Sandy Lane Park

Sandy Lane Changing Rooms building in March 2016

I’ve not come back to this subject in a while as I’ve had little to report but things are moving again I’m happy to say. To recap my last posting from January this year said this:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2018/01/13/lydiate-the-long-haul-to-try-to-address-sporting-deficiencies-at-sandy-lane-playing-field/

Last week The Parish Clerk, Parish Chairman and I met again with a representative of Liverpool County FA to take forward our discussions and seek their support for our project.

At present our two potential major funding partners are likely to be the Football Association and Sport England and we will be progressing applications to them over the coming weeks. The advice and assistance of Sefton Council’s Planning Dept. is also being taken up, so we hope to have a bigger picture of the project over the coming weeks and months.

This is the run-down condition of the Sandy Lane Park tennis courts surface. Could they be rebuilt as a multi-use games area – MUGA?

In simple terms we want to upgrade and enlarge the changing rooms so that they are accessible and suitable for women’s football as well as for men. The sad fact is that Sandy Lane’s changing facilities are inadequate to say the least, being very much from a previous era. We also want to upgrade the football pitches to deal with drainage problems and to turn what are presently run down tennis courts into a multi-sports area.

This continues to be a very big project and I’m sure the Parish Council will have to overcome all kinds of hurdles as it tries to bring it to fruition.

More news as I get it.