Punch Bowl Pub Sefton Village – Once known as Harsnops?

The Punch Bowl Pub

Now this is an odd one I’ll admit but not so long ago whilst listening to a talk at Crosby Library about the Registers of Sefton Parish Church I recall the speaker referring to the Punch Bowl as being known as ‘Harsnops’ many years ago.

Punch Bowl Pub

It stuck in the back of my mind and then driving through Sefton Village the other day was brought back to the front. Some research was required.

Vintage Inns who presently run the Punch Bowl say this on their web site:-

Thought to be about 200 years old, earliest records show The Punch Bowl to be the only pub in the village in 1824. The grounds of the building stand on the original Grand National Steeplechase course and provided the meeting place for the 18th Century social club, ‘Mock Corporation of Sefton’ who claimed their charter was granted by William the Conqueror.

No mention of Harsnops there but then I came across this:-

Full text of “Crosby records. Blundell’s diary, comprising selections from the diary of Nicholas Blundell, esq., from 1702 to 1728”

archive.org/stream/cu31924028014581/cu31924028014581_djvu.txt

And buried in the text of the research linked above is this:-

There are two inscriptions to the Diarist in the Blundell Chapel, Sefton ….. A village tradition, given in the preface to Crosby Records {Chetham Society, No. …… I met Tho: Syer at Harsnops, ’tis the first time we met Apriuist.

So this is where the reference to ‘Harsnops’ comes from I guess although I’m also sure that historians of Sefton Village will be able to pin it down more precisely than I have been able to do with my Google searches.

Sefton Village – That Sefton Mill heritage project again

I have commented on the this project before and having been told that work on the Mill site had been completed I decided to have a look.

A view across the site with Sefton Church behind the camera. The clods of soil/grass on the hard landscaped pathways, which are meant to represent where the walls of the mill were, are evident.

A view across the site with Sefton Church behind the camera. The clods of soil/grass on the hard landscaped pathways, which are meant to represent where the walls of the mill were, are evident.

I must say I am disappointed about two aspects and I have a question over a third.

One of the two interpretation boards on site. Odd they are not inclined and they have sharp edges.

One of the two interpretation boards on site. Odd they are not inclined and they have sharp edges.

Firstly, the two interpretation boards are very good in terms of the information they contain. But they are vertical rather than inclined as you would expect interpretation boards to be – I wonder why? What’s more they look like they could well be a hazard especially to children as they have very sharp metal corners and are low down.

My other concern is that the soft landscaping looks a little messy, as though not enough care has been taken with it. Clods of soil and grass have spread over the hard landscaping pathways and it does not look good.

Finally, I wonder what the long-term maintenance regime will be for the site as it’s clearly intended to be a publicly accessible space. It must have a robust maintenance regime in place, particularly with regard to grass cutting so that the layout of the old buildings is clear .

Sefton Mill – A further update

My previous posting from the 10th of June refers:-

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2016/06/10/sefton-village-conservation-area-that-odd-business-with-the-remains-of-sefton-mill-posting-no-2/

A few days ago, in response to my recent postings on this subject, I received a message (via this blog site) to the effect that works were happening on the site of the old Mill and did I know what the works were related to. I had no idea as I had not visited the site for a month or more but went to have a look. This is what I saw:-

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I had a chat with the men doing the work and my understanding is that the lines of the walls of the historic Mill will be shown at surface level via the stone pathways that they are presently building. Soft landscaping will be reinstated in the other parts. I assume that an interpretation board will also be placed on the site.

A further visit today revealed how things had moved on:-

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Please shout if I have anything wrong here.

Sefton Village Conservation Area – That odd business with the remains of Sefton Mill posting No. 2

The site of the former Mill is the grassed mound in front of the houses.

The site of the former Mill is the grassed mound in front of the houses.

I posted not so long ago about concerns locally regarding how the remains of Sefton Mill have been covered up and with no interpretation board being displayed.

The link to that previous post is available here:=

tonyrobertson.mycouncillor.org.uk/2016/05/11/remains-of-the-historic-sefton-mill-what-has-gone-there/

Whilst I don’t have much in the way of an update on the matter, which is presently being investigated by Sefton Council’s Planning Officers, I have come across the document below all about the Sefton Village Conservation Area:-

sefton.gov.uk/conservationareas

When you reach the page just scroll down it and click on the Sefton Village Conservation Area tab.

This shot is looking from Mill Weir Gardens towards Sefton Church. The grassed area is where the remains of the Mill are located.

This shot is looking from Mill Weir Gardens towards Sefton Church. The grassed area is where the remains of the Mill are located.

I have spoken with a member of Sefton’s Planning Committee from back when planning permission for the building of Mill Weir Gardens was granted (which must be around 10 years ago) and he is very much of the view that the remains were to be left open and an interpretation board erected. This request of the Planning Committee, which a second former Planning Committee member also recalls, was so that visitors to the Conservation Area could understand how the Mill fitted into the local environment.

We will have to wait to see what work of Sefton’s Planning Officers uncovers, if that is not a poor pun in the circumstances!

The headline photo is also amongst my Flickr shots at:-

www.flickr.com/photos/86659476@N07/

Remains of the historic Sefton Mill – What has gone there?

I understand that the historic remains of Sefton Mill in Sefton Village were expected to be conserved and made available for the public to access when the new housing development (Mill Wear Gardens) was built next to St. Helens Church. The area concerned is in fact a Conservation Area.

The remains of Sefton Mill and Mill Wear Gardens are behind the church viewed from this direction.

The remains of Sefton Mill and Mill Wear Gardens are behind the church viewed from this direction.

Roy Connell, a former local councillor and member of Sefton Council’s Planning Committee, has been trying to get to the bottom of what has gone on and this what he says:-

My recollection of this issue is related to the Planning application, there was a lot of remediation work that had to be carried out and in the process the Sefton Mill was exposed , we saw this at a Planning Visiting Panel meeting.

I asked for the Mill Site to be left exposed and for a fence to be put around it so that it could be seen by visitors to St Helens Church, as far as I can recall that was agreed.

I recently spoke to a chap who lives in the new houses who agrees with my view and who said that he understood that before he bought the house he now lives in.

He also told me that the contractors who ever they were filled the Mill remains in with sand and then covered it over with grass. He also recalls some of the old mill equipment being taken away, but is not sure by whom.

Think the question I would be asking Sefton Planning Department is what do they have on record of what was agreed to by the Planning Committee with regard to this application. Was there any legal agreement made or conditions added to the application?

Appropriate representations have now been made to Sefton Council’s Planning Department and we await a substantive response having had a holding reply. More news when I have it but if you know more please get in touch with me.

The photo above of St Helen’s Church is amongst my Flickr shots at:-

www.flickr.com/photos/86659476@N07/

Sefton Borough – It’s named after an historic village with an historic church

In a break in the bitterly cold weather of recent days I went back to St.Helen’s Church in Sefton Village to have a look at the ancient church where, and please don’t tell anyone, this old atheist was once a choir boy!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Helen%27s_Church,_Sefton

It really is a beautiful building and I love to take photos it:-

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The photos are amongst my Flickr shots at:-
www.flickr.com/photos/86659476@N07/