Lydiate Abbey – Damage caused by stone removal

The lovely Lydiate Abbey, proper name St. Catherine’s Chapel, looks to have been damaged seemingly by people wanting dressed stone from it to take away?

The damage may have been caused in recent days and the Police and Sefton Council have been informed I understand. Here are some photo’s that I took earlier today:-

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It would be useful if folks living at the north end of Lydiate or visiters to the Scotch Piper Pub could keep an eye out for any odd activity around the Abbey. The culprits could do with being caught before this delightful ruin, which is at the heart of Lydiate’s Conservation Area, is further damaged.

Please if you know anything about the damage let me know.

PS. See comments – Glenn (sorry don’t know his second name) seems to think that the damage is not particularly new. Whenever it was done it needs attending to.

Lydiate – Report on its October Parish Council meeting

The meeting started earlier this month at 7pm because the first hour was all about setting the scene for the Neighbourhood Plan, a subject I have commented upon regularly or too often depending on your point of view!


Suffice to say it was a constructive hour that involved 3 Lydiate residents as well. One of residents, as a local socialist environmental campaigner, is possibly even more suspicious of the Labour Party than I am, whilst another is, or at least was, a local Conservative Parish councillor until recent times. And yes I did participate constructively myself despite being of the view that Lydiate’s Neighbourhood Plan is little more than a smoke screen for Sefton Labour’s appalling Local Plan. Your on your soap box again Robertson…………….

But what else went on? Well in no particular order and only picking up on the eye catching items here goes.

St Catherine’s Chapel (otherwise known as Lydiate Abbey) – Lydiate PC has helped to maintain this ancient monument for many years now but Sefton Borough Council are bailing out. Ownership is actually with the Liverpool Catholic Arch-Diocese and clearly a new partnership needs to be put together so that the building remains and grounds are kept in reasonable condition in the future. Below is a winter shot of the ruins of the Chapel.


A ‘Friends’ group has been established in recent times and my old chum and former Lydiate Parish Council Chairman Dave Russell is involved in that I understand. Watch this space for how this matter moves forward.

Tendering the Parks and Gardens work – Every few years the Parish Council goes out to tender for the work (mainly grass cutting) that is not undertaken by the small workforce of the Parish Council. That time is upon us again and a tendering exercise is starting up.

The hanging baskets on Southport Road and up part of Liverpool Road seem likely to bit the dust soon but the Council is looking at an alternative idea to provide displays of flowers at the two local shopping areas and possibly other high footfall locations such as outside schools. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

Christmas Lights – The Parish Council is purchasing some lights to enable it to illuminate the large Holly (yes I did say Holly) tree on the Village Green which looks remarkably like a Christmas Tree. The previous lights were rubbish to say the least!

And talking of Christmas the Parish Council is to join forces with Maghull Town Council to fund the needy pensioners Christmas dinner. In reality Lydiate PC has helped fund such an event in previous years. My recollection is that the Police first started running this annual pensioners party.

By-Centenary of the opening of the Canal – This is moving on with a meeting on interested parties having already taken place. Festivities along the Leeds Liverpool Canal are planned for 2016 meaning it must have been completed in 1816 according to my maths!

Of note is that the Parish Council seems to be settling down now with less party political input at the meetings – this has to be a good thing in my view.

Well that’s about it for the October meeting of Lydiate Parish Council.

St. Catherine’s Chapel – Lydiate – Sefton gives Lydiate notice to quit!

This is a fascinating ruin which stands next to the famous Scotch Piper Pub in Lydiate.

The reason I mention it now is that Lydiate Parish Council is trying, through it’s Chairman Dave Russell, to ensure it has a sustainable future.

Over recent years Lydiate Parish Council has helped to maintain the site by cutting the grass and hedges. A number of very successful summer plays have been held amongst the ruins as well. Here is a shot I took on a winter’s day:-


In 1992 a strategy was drawn up between Sefton Council and the Catholic Archdiocese with Sefton responsible for the maintenance. In 2003 a new agreement came into being and and Lydiate PC took over the maintenance of the grounds with Sefton paying the Parish Council for doing it.

In 2014 Sefton stopped making the payments (part of Labour-run Sefton’s budget cuts) so Lydiate PC volunteered to do the work at its own expense until things were sorted out. The work costs just under £4,000 per year. Better that than the grounds be left to become a mess.

The photo above is amongst my Flickr shots at:-

Stop Press:- Despite Dave’s efforts Sefton Council have in effect told Lydiate Parish Council that it does not want it on the land! This despite the fact that the site is getting covered in litter and no hedge or grass maintenance has been done for a while now. Come on Sefton, you are having a laugh, the Parish Council is volunteering to help you out despite your pulling the yearly grant and you still tell it to beggar off! Now who is running Sefton Council – oh yes, the Bootle Labour Party.

Lydiate Abbey/St. Catherine’s Chapel

Have a look at this You Tube video of one of Merseyside’s historic sites.

St Catherine’s Chapel or Lydiate Abbey. It was built c. 1500 for the private worship of the Ireland family, who held the Lydiate Lordship 1410—1673. Its use as a private chapel probably ceased c. 1550, following Henry VIII’s dissolution of the monasteries. A small cemetery remained in use until the latter 19th century.
The Chapel is a ruin, and is situated on Southport Road adjacent to the Scotch Piper Inn. It is a Grade 2* Listed Building.
In recent years, outdoor performances of plays have been held each summer in the grounds and Lydiate’s Civic Day is also held on the site each year.
The grounds are maintained by Lydiate Parish Council.